news from the weekend

Just reporting a couple of bits of interesting news from the weekend. 

Firstly, The front page of Saturday’s Age brought some potentially good news regarding the Eddington inquiry – it looks like it may recommend a big rail project. It appears that the road tunnel is still on the cards (disappointing but unsurprising), but a potential recommendation of an inner city rail tunnel is quite a pleasant surprise! Given that the full details won’t be available until the report is released to the public, I’ll wait until then to have a more detailed look at this particular rail tunnel proposal.

Secondly, Riccardo has started on a series of posts about using country towns as a solution for Melbourne’s urban sprawl problems. It’s well worth a read.

Also, I’m looking for patronage and capacity data for the Burnley, Caulfield and Northern group lines to continue my series of posts on setting a service standard. If anyone has any information I’d really appreciate hearing from you.




9 Responses

  1. The data is held by DOI but capacity can be worked out from the timetables and what you know of the system’s physical layout (the way I’m doing with Pakenham at present!)

    Have a quick scan of the timetables and find out the following facts about each line
    -the fastest time they can turn a train around at the terminus
    -the shortest interval between trains
    -how much time do they leave between trains merging at junctions
    -the shortest and longest journey times, for each express or stopping pattern.
    Ironically because the timetables are such a mess, they reveal a lot.

    For example if a train expresses Box Hill to Camberwell, but appears to take 1 minute longer than every other train doing the same, it is probably waiting for an Alamein. Look for the Alamein and you can work out the separation required between them.

    If the service patterns are fairly even, it then doesn’t tell you a lot about the capabilities of the system

    eg I don’t know what frequency the Upfield line can support beyond Gowrie, because they don’t appear to be testing the limit in the current table.

    Some historic timetables might tell you things they used to be capable of doing but don’t do much now (eg I don’t think they do crosses at Upwey any more, but used to)

    Good luck with your quest!


    Use this too. You might get some creative info from it eg it says Casey had 2000 trips on a working day to CBD by PT (it means rail; there is no bus) Casey is basically Narre Warren and Berwick, as the outer 3 are Cardinia I think, and inwards of there is Dandenong.

  3. Wyndham too, has only 2 rail stations, Werribee and Hoppers. I don’t think any of the buses to Altona go all the way to Werribee, so i suspect PT=rail

  4. Phin, that link doesn’t work for me so I don’t know exactly what it says, but at least in Endeavour Hills (where I presently live), in the city of Casey, you use Dandenong to get to the city, not Narre Warren or Berwick. More frequent, shorter trip, and that’s where the buses take you if you can’t drive.

  5. Riccardo – are you sure the Casey statistics is only Nazza and Berwick? In the Casey LGA there is also Hallam, Merinda Park and Cranbourne.

  6. Thanks for all the help – that transport demand atlas has some great figures. I’ll have to have a good look through the timetables as well. I’m looking forward to your solution to the Pakenham problem Riccardo!

  7. Whoops! Forgot about that line!

  8. Have done the Pakenham post!

  9. Phin

    Can you please send me your contact details so I may talk to you.



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